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1970 Chevrolet Camaro Pro Stock Grumpys Toy VIII


Well Dennis Ferrara and Mike G spoke over the past weeks in the in detail about the car. When Dennis got back to me he said it looks like Mike has the chassis that was under the car when he owned it,so the parts that were used in the restoration were in fact the real Grumpy's Toy #8. Case closed. On an even more intersting note,Dennis has the original steel doors from the car along with all the mechanisms,the side glass,the windshield and rear glass,the passenger seat,and the front fender wells all from when jenkins owned it. So more original parts exist and maybe a deal will be struck with the current owner. Who knows. I am sorry to Mike G for any headache I caused,but in the end,this will just add more certainy to the authenticity of the car.

-- Edited by Rich S on Friday 11th of February 2011 11:39:01 PM

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When Mike started on the car he should have tracked down and spoken with all past owners. He could have then obtained these parts and added to the legitimacy. Now, these parts should go to the present owner and be photo documented and installed on the car. If this doesn't happen I will make a bid on the parts and build another Grump 8. Who will have the better or more authentic car then? This is a prime example of too far a stretch to begin with. I also heard another car at that auction had the exact same issue....

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It would be great to see as many original Parts as Possible put back onto that car . Hopefully guys will work together to do just that . To me that has to be one of the all-time Top Vintage Drag car's . I hope one Day I can see that car .


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This old For Sale ad is Interesting ?


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 I was saddened to hear of the passing of Bill "Gumpy" Jenkins .    RIP



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Rich S........i was a previous owner of srd camaro that you have pics of above....I spoke with Grumpy in 2001 along with Larson, Zul and some others....i never got ahold of Ferrera who at the time could have tied car together.....i have about 10 or so pics of this car in august 2001

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Just a quick update on this old tread. I have talked a lot to Dennis and Richie about this car. Dennis was recently given the chance to buy back the original chassis. He authenticated it. He said that the chassis is exactly how it was when Zul owned it right down to the washers on the 3 link bars. It still!l has the same wheels,same floors,same firewall and dashboard metal,same wheeltubs and rocker panels from back in 1976. He said the spot welds that held on the upper body structure were carefully drilled out to remove the body. Dennis told the owner that he knew of the whereabouts of one of the 379 inch modified e!minator engines that he ran back in this car in 1977. The owner asked Dennis to get it and freshen it up. The guy never came up with the cash and stuck Dennis with the motor. The chassis was offered to me and Dennis was offering me the engine. The intention was to put new body panels on it and make it into the restored 1977 version. The current owner got nervous because he apparently has an agreement with whoever sold him the chassis stating that he would never do anything with it. The worry is that it would create a conflict if 2 separate restored cars were built from one original car. I have a ton of info about the timeline of the car as well. I will post that below.

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Here is a timeline of the car from when Zul bought it. Zul bought the car as a mini tubbed slapper bar 70 Camaro. The first thing he did was had SRD put ladder bars and coil overs onto the stock chassis. Then he had the build a square tube chassis from under the seats forward. Then he had them build a 3 link back half for it. Along the way the stock floors and firewall were removed and replaced with sheet metal. During all this he installed a 74 style pro nose,and cut out the tail light opens and added the 74 tail panel and bumper. There is a picture of the car floating around with the white 70 nose on the red white and blue 74 bodywork. Zul said that while leaving a race the overhead tool box on his transporter broke loose and crushed the 74 nose so NHRA allowed him to out the 70 nose back on until he could fix the 74 nose. He said that the car went faster with the 70 nose,and that Jenkins found the same thing when he swapped the 74 Vega nose onto his 73 Vega... He sold the car to Dennis at the end of the 1976 racing season. Dennis ran it for one season in Modified Eliminator and won the world championship with it. As the season progressed Dennis found that the car became more competitive as he built smaller engines and lightened the car. He cut all the inner structureout of the body to save weight as well as removed the windows and one of the seats. He sold the car after the end of the 77 season. The rest of the history is pretty straightforward,and has been covered in this tread. What was left of the 1970 body was the roof skin,door jams,the quarters which had been modified and the original 70 tail panel which had been modified just enough to make the tail lights fit. The original rockers and the dash metal behind the windshield were also on the car at that time,but those pieces weren't used in the restoration. Basically the restored 70 coiyld at best be the roof,quarters,tail panel and deck filler panel of the original car installed onto a donor structure. The current owner was made aware of that before buying the car and still considered it to be the restored original. Restored is open to interpretation. Is it really any different than when NASCAR guys restore an original vintage race car that has had newer metal hung on it and then hang the correct year body panels onto the vintage chassis?

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Pictures from when Dennis owned the car back in 1977. As you can see in this pic you can see that the original firewall had already been removed,but the metal from behind the windshield remains,but unfortunately that metal wasn't used in the restoration. That metal and this firewall are still mounted to this chassis.

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In this photo you can see the square tube front chassis with the A-arms and coil over shock peeking thru.

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-- Edited by Rich S on Friday 3rd of February 2017 02:38:44 PM

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First let me welcome you to the site! We certainly are glad to have you. The story is fantastic..I love seeing the old cars when racing was racing and not hitting your brakes..it saddens me greatly to see all the greats passing..very sad.. The grump was in a class all by himself. Along with Ronnie Sox..Dandy Dick Landy and too many others to write..keep the stories coming..we love em!!



-- Edited by cr55 on Friday 3rd of February 2017 07:16:43 PM

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