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1970 Chevrolet Camaro Pro Stock Grumpys Toy VIII


- The return of Grumpy's Toy
- In July 1970 the world got to see the latest in a long line of "Malvern Missile's" as formerly unveiled the all new "Grumpy's Toy III"
- 12-bolt GM passenger car rear axle housing narrowed 2 1/2"
- 5.31 GM service package positraction gear set
- Extended 1970 camaro spring hangers
- Heavy duty rear leaf springs moved inboard
- Lakewood traction bars
- Gusseted front sub frame
- Sub frame connectors were added to eliminate torsional stress on the body
- Engine was torque strapped to the frame
- 430 inch GM rat motor
- 2x4 Edelbrock tunnel ram intake sporting a pair of big bore 750 CFM Holley carburetors
- T10 4-speed transmission with 2.43:1 low gear



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pro stock was so cool back then the cars still had so much of a stock car still in them not super high dollar purpace built race cars like the pro stocks of today.




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 I'm not real sure how they "restored it" .  Over the years and owners it was up-dated to a 74 car, the floor was cut out and a tube frame installed, glass doors hung on it.    The last time I saw the car just the roof panel and upper rear quarters were original.  In my opinion it is really just a clone. 

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I agree with Wayne. Back in the 80's a guy named John Sandoval who had a chassis shop in Brooklyn NY owned the Grumps Camaro he updated the chassis he also updated the body to an 81 camaro. He changed the rear window to the wrap around kind found on newer Camaros. The car was painted black. It wasn't long after that we heard he sold it to a father and son John and Gary , I am sorry I don't remember their last name. They were out of Mount Vernon, NY. It's a neat car with definetly a lot of history.

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I agree with Wayne. Back in the 80's a guy named John Sandoval who had a chassis shop in Brooklyn NY owned the Grumps Camaro he updated the chassis he also updated the body to an 81 camaro. He changed the rear window to the wrap around kind found on newer Camaros. The car was painted black. It wasn't long after that we heard he sold it to a father and son John and Gary , I am sorry I don't remember their last name. They were out of Mount Vernon, NY. It's a neat car with definetly a lot of history.





Yes, lotsa history, just not much of the "70" is left.



This Camaro below was the show / display car












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I am not sure on what exactly did happen to the Real 1970 Camaro Grumpy's Toy Car . If in Fact it was up dated to a 1981 Camaro Shell . It would be easy to ID with the Different Rear Bubble Window . In the Last Photo above that was Posted that's not an 1981 Camaro Body . Maybe there was more then one of these cars Built for Show / or Back up Race Car ?

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Here's some more history.

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Here the link to be able to read the article

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The early years of Pro Stock racing saw some of the most exciting heads-up racing and the most intense fan support the sport had ever experienced. The 1971 season saw some spectacular matchups, with legendary racers like "Dyno Don" Nicholson, "Dandy" Dick Landy, Sox & Martin and the man from Malvern, Pennsylvania, Bill "Grumpy" Jenkins. Jenkins had been a well-known fixture at tracks since GM's factory racing days. As a privateer, Jenkins went on to represent Chevrolet and soon became one of their most successful racers ever. This 1970 ½ Camaro was the first car that Jenkins built specifically for the class, and its track record with Jenkins, Bruce Larson and later, East Coast racer Richie Zul is nothing short of legendary.

Grumpy's Toy VII has been painstakingly restored to its original race configuration, including a correct "512" cast-iron 427 block, aluminum heads, and Weiand tunnel ram with "period correct" 750 cfm Holley double-pumper carbs. Additionally, the Camaro was finished in its original race livery and looks like it emerged from a time machine. It was recently featured in Super Chevy magazine and is in concours condition.

 

 

 



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1970 Chevrolet Camaro - The Return Of Grumpy's Toy !


http://www.superchevy.com/features/camaro/sucs_0600_1970_chevrolet_camaro/index.html


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Not only does Mike Guarise have a letter of authenticity on file (which we've seen), he also has Bill Jenkins signature on the cowl!


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At the NHRA Grandnationals in Aug of 74 it was painted Red White and Blue and stayed in this colour combo till he sold the car.





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back when pro stock had slapper bars. YEAH!

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Now I really wonder if them Photo's above were really the Original 1970 Camaro or just another Build ? Front to back it's a 1974 Camaro ?

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Now I really wonder if them Photo's above were really the Original 1970 Camaro or just another Build ? Front to back it's a 1974 Camaro ?




There was a 3 year rule in effect so the body had to be up-dated or parked. NHRA wanted cars that looked like what dealers were selling.   As those Camaro's had the same roof and doors you just had to add new tail lamps and a new glass front end.  Chrysler did it with the Dusters and claimed them as a newer year.    These cars were far from stock.

 



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Now I really wonder if them Photo's above were really the Original 1970 Camaro or just another Build ? Front to back it's a 1974 Camaro ?




  I read this on another forum.

"I have been in contact with Richie Zul today in regards to the authenticity of the car being auctioned at Kissimmi Fla this month. The facts are that Jenkins sold the 70 Camaro to Richie Zul used by in 71 or 72 after Zul's 69 was stolen at Englishtown and was in his posession being raced in various forms in Pro Stock by ZUL until 1977 when he sold it to me Dennis Ferrara. I raced it in B/EA and won the World Championship with the help of special heads from Chevrolet given to me by Jenkins. I later sold it to a Bklyn N.Y. street racer in 78. this is the time line of that car period! Where the car being auctioned came from is not Bill Jenkins. Many Photos are in circulation showing these facts. The car is a tribute replica at best and Mecham auctions are being notified so as to represent the car correctly in fairness to the buyer. It is a very nice replica but not the original. Zul will confirm that also. Please post this information as I am new to this site. Thanks D. Ferrara "
 

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 "Their would be no VIN as Jenkins received the car as a "body in white". He actually took delivery while out west winning the first Pro Stock race at the winternationals in'70.
When the car came back to him years later to authenticate, the only thing left was the roof, rockers and quarters. He made a few calls, was told it was his car by some one he can't recall and for a fee, he agreed.
Talking to Richie while writing the Grumpys Toys book, he told me that the car shouldnt have gone to Jenkins to authenticate but should have gone to him or Dennis as there wouldnt have been anything of Jenkins left on it.
Ive read on another site that some feel this may actually be Grumpys Toy VII, the show car. That it self could never be verified, though the show car would have had a VIN. Bill told me that the show car went back to Ammon R. Smith in mid '70 and he has no clue what became of it after that. I put the question to Mike Strickler as to whether Grumpys Toy VII might have become his dads Pro Stock car but he doesnt think so. To me, the time line seems about right so who knows. "



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And some more info on the car biggrin



Late in 1969 the NHRA announced the formation of a new heads-up Pro Stock class, the rules of which were based on those of the United States Drag Racing Team, a heads-up super stock circuit formed in early 1968 by Super Stock stars Sox & Martin, "Dandy Dick" Landy, "Dyno Don" Nicholson and Bill “Grumpy” Jenkins. While Sox & Martin, Landy and Nicholson all built new cars for the inaugural Pro Stock Eliminator at the NHRA Winternationals at Pomona, Jenkins, still awaiting the introduction of the new 1970½ Camaro, opted to compete with his trusty 1968 “Grumpy’s Toy VI” Super Stocker.

Despite his competitors’ best efforts, Jenkins and his ZL1-powered match racer won the first ever NHRA Winternationals Pro Stock Eliminator title, and followed that up with subsequent wins at the Orange County West Coast Pro Stock Championships and the NHRA Gatornationals in Gainesville, Florida. This string of victories with a supposedly outdated car fueled speculation as to the nature of his new Camaro racer, so it was with great anticipation that the drag racing world witnessed its debut of “Grumpy’s Toy VIII” on the cover of the July 1970 issue of Hot Rod Magazine.

Calling on their years of experience in the trenches of NHRA and AHRA Stock and Super Stock Eliminator, Jenkins Competition’s "Super Crew" of Dick Whitman, Derrick Von Bargen, Joe Tryson and Dutch Irrgang took advantage of the new rules in preparing the Camaro for its Jenkins-built engine, gusseting the front frame rails, tying the front and rear subframes together and torque-strapping the engine to the frame to handle the big block’s torque. Heavy duty 1966 Chevy II front coil springs were matched with re-angled control arms and specially valved #2018 Koni shocks to maximize front end lift, while the rear leaf springs were moved inboard to accommodate the massive Goodyear slicks activated by a 5.13 gearset and heavy duty axles inside a narrowed 12-bolt axle housing.

Jenkins applied his extensive engine-building knowledge to the 430 CI powerplant, incorporating a specially-prepped 427 forged steel crank, forged rods and TRW forged aluminum pistons in a cast iron block. General Kinetics supplied a #332 flat tappet cam and matched valve train components, which were installed in a set of ported and polished open chamber "Jenkins" stamped aluminum heads. Dual 750-cfm Holley carburetors were chosen to feed an Edelbrock tunnel ram intake manifold (later changed to a Weiand unit), and a 1962 Corvette dual point distributor used to fire the mixture. Large diameter Hooker Headers handled the exhaust, and a Chrysler Hemi clutch fan was used to ensure proper cooling. The drivetrain was completed by a Hurst-shifted Borg Warner T-10 4-speed, Schiefer clutch and Lakewood bellhousing.

In keeping with Jenkins tradition, the Camaro was painted White, with Jenkins Competition decals on the quarter panels and “Grumpy’s Toy VIII” rendered on the doors in gold leaf. Cragar SS wheels mounted with narrow-profile Stahl front tires and Goodyear slicks were also carried over from Jenkins’ previous racers.

While the car did not achieve its expected greatness at sanctioned events, it thrived on the popular match race circuit in stripped-down form and running one of Jenkins’ famous big-cube “mountain motors.” In 1972 it would be succeeded by the radical “Grumpy’s Toy IX,” a new small block powered Vega that broke almost every Pro Stock design convention, but in 1971 the Camaro’s career was not over: Chevy funny car pilot Bruce Larsen had lost his racer to a fire, and he approached Jenkins about renting the Camaro to finish the season in Pro Stock. A deal was struck, the Camaro was refinished in Larsen’s famous “USA-1” livery, under which colors it completed the season. In 1972 Long Islander and Division 1 terror Richie Zul took the wheel under a similar arrangement, and carried on development of the car for another two seasons, constantly modifying and updating it, including back-halving it to accommodate a fully tied roll cage and new rear suspension, and later updating the sheetmetal and rear window to reflect later styling changes.

After a much-heralded Pro Stock Eliminator win at the 1974 NHRA Summernationals at Old Bridge Township's Raceway Park, the erstwhile “Grumpy’s Toy VIII” faded from attention until 2003, when collector Mike Guarise discovered it for sale. Upon receiving written documentation from the seller signed by Jenkins, Guarise bought the car and began a restoration that would take two years and often arduous searching for just the right components to authentically finish it.

 

Ensuring correctness in the engine compartment was of particular importance to Guarise, who installed a code "512" dated cast-iron 427 casting. Opened up to 468 cubic inches, it boasts all the right touches, including the Weiand tunnel ram/dual Holley 750 induction system, the correct 1962 Corvette tach-drive distributor and Hemi Super Stock aluminum fan.

The Black vinyl interior was completed with NOS parts and features a correct three-point roll cage, hard-to-find Stahl tachometer and Hurst shifter. The car once again wears all the correct decals and markings, as well as Cragar SS wheels, again fitted with Stahls up front and Goodyears in the rear, the latter assisted by another Jenkins trademark, a set of Yellow Lakewood traction bars.

After years in obscurity, “Grumpy’s Toy VIII” was re-introduced to the world in 2005 at the York U.S. 30 Super Stock Reunion, were it was greeted with the overwhelming appreciation of the fans, including Jenkins himself, who showed his approval by signing the cowl panel.

Five years later, “Grumpy’s Toy VIII” remains a singular and historically important automotive artifact, one that evokes the inception of Pro Stock Eliminator, and will remain one of the top vintage drag racing attractions in perpetuity.



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Up-date ...................... More from Dennis Ferrara

Hey guy's now that I'm involved in this clarification of the Tribute car being auctioned in Fla, I have to say that with all the checking that I have done in the past week I am absolutely positive the car is a replica, A nice one I may add! Either Hot rod Magazine (who did a article on the transition of the 70 car fro Jenkins to Larson to Zul to Ferrara, stating that it took till 77 for the car to finally win a national event) was lying or Richie who bought car from Jenkins was lying or Myself who bought car from Zul is lying, THAT IS NOT THE ORIGINAL CAR BEING AUCTIONED IN FLA. the only other explanation would be that Bill Jenkins was lying when he sold the car to Richie Zul! Please this was a well documented line of ownership over the years and everyone racing back then knew these facts Jenkins/Larson/Zul/Ferrara. 1970 to 1978. Thank You for all the interest





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Now you have Me Thinking . Were is the Dog House of that Original Race Car Sitting confused.gif


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Now you have Me Thinking . Were is the Dog House of that Original Race Car Sitting confused.gif





  You know, you have to be real carefull with these Camaro's. People tend to mix them up.  There was the original 70 that went through a lot of changes in it's life. Then there was a later Camaro (78?) that Zul bought from Joe Satmary (big back window) and people though was an old "Toy" rebodied. Then just to add more confussion Jenkins built a 79 that he ran in Pro-Stock for a couple of years.

 People tend to get half of the story and run with it.


 



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Wayne it's Great to have you here . And very good of you to set the Record Straight on this Car . Seeing how you have owned Part of this Car . I am sure you have some Photos you Could Post to Help reinstate the True History of this Race cars Final Days . If you can Post them that would be a Good thing indeed . Thank You Much Tango

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Wayne it's Great to have you here . And very good of you to set the Record Straight on this Car . Seeing how you have owned Part of this Car . I am sure you have some Photos you Could Post to Help reinstate the True History of this Race cars Final Days . If you can Post them that would be a Good thing indeed . Thank You Much Tango





 I never owned a part of the Camaro.  I was around it a lot of times while it was raced, and it was real rough the last race I saw it at in 77.   Dennis Ferrara was the last person to race it in NHRA trim. He is the person is checking it out.

 This is from him as posted above.

 Up-date ...................... More from Dennis Ferrara

"Hey guy's now that I'm involved in this clarification of the Tribute car being auctioned in Fla, I have to say that with all the checking that I have done in the past week I am absolutely positive the car is a replica, A nice one I may add! Either Hot rod Magazine (who did a article on the transition of the 70 car fro Jenkins to Larson to Zul to Ferrara, stating that it took till 77 for the car to finally win a national event) was lying or Richie who bought car from Jenkins was lying or Myself who bought car from Zul is lying, THAT IS NOT THE ORIGINAL CAR BEING AUCTIONED IN FLA. the only other explanation would be that Bill Jenkins was lying when he sold the car to Richie Zul! Please this was a well documented line of ownership over the years and everyone racing back then knew these facts Jenkins/Larson/Zul/Ferrara. 1970 to 1978. Thank You for all the interest"



 



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I think I was responsible for stirring the pot a little on this one. For years there has been a "grudge race" car located in North Jersey that was supposed to be the Grumps old 70 Camaro. After contacting Richie Zul it was clarified that the car in question was the car he bought off Joe Satmary. The car has a very short history trail with only one owner in the early 80's having owned it for about a year or two before it was sold to it's current owner. The car is now used in high stakes gambling type races where the times arent put up on the board,but it is pretty much been astablished that the car runs very low 8's or maybe even got into the high 7's with a very stout small block. It was raced with a killer 632 bigblock years ago. It was updated with a new back half a few years back,and if this car was modified like the Jenkins car was,it is obvious that there wasnt much left of the original steel body.

I posted a link to this article in a tread on a North jersey/New York City area money racing message forum I am going to try and go fishing for the original Jenkins car.

Here is a pic of the old Joe Satmary/ Richie Zul camaro as it is today.



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Now I really wonder if them Photo's above were really the Original 1970 Camaro or just another Build ? Front to back it's a 1974 Camaro ?




 There is no questioning about the cars in the pics. There was only 1 Grumpy's Toy #8,and it was his only 70 thru 73 style Camaro race car. The car had a fiberglass pro nose on it. There are pictures of Zul racing the car as a 1970 Camaro with big tires and slapper bars,identical to the way Larson raced it. Zul sent the car out and had a 3 link backhalf done by SRD and added a 1974 fiberglass nose to it,and cut the 1/4's to accomidate the 1974 tail lights,and welded the tail panel across the back. If you look at some pics of the car it is obvious that the 1970 lower valance panel extends below the 1974 rear bumper. The 1970 market light holes in the 1/4s were just filled in,but you could see them from inside the trunk. There is a pic of the car after it had been made into a red white and blue 74 and the 1970 nose was put back on it and was still painted white.  Maybe the 74 nose(whick had been on the car for a while when the car was still painted white,was damaged.

When Zul first had the car built it had a 3 link under it,I would guess because that was the same setup Jenkins was trying in his Vega. The 3 link setup didnt work as well as planned and ladder bars were installed.

Toy #8 led a hard life. It was hacked and slashed over the years to follow all the latest trends in chassis and body styles. Even by 1978 there were stories of the acid dipped body being left outside for weeks and gathering rust.

If you look at the car when Zul made it into a 74 and  it and it was till painted white you will see that the last foot or so of the car was painted black,and there is a sticker over where the 1970 rear marker light is. My guess(and it is just a guess) is that they dummied up the rear sheet metal and rattle canned it black to get the car back on the track until a nicer job could be done. 



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Here is a little timeline.

Bruce Larson raced the car,it had been mini tubbed and running slapper bars and is otherwise pretty much the same as when Jenkins last owned it.



Richie Zul bought the car and painted it white. He raced it as a 70 with basically everything the same as Bruce Larson had. It even had a Jenkins sticker on it.



Richie Zul updated the car to look like a 74. I have seen other photos of the car in this configuration and it looks to have been changed to an aftermarket rear suspention. There are no more slapper bars. The rear section looks like it was sprayed black,possibly to hide the bodywork without repainting the whole car. The sticker over the exact location of the 1970 marker light is interesting.Who knows?



Richie Zul cleaned up the body work and painted it red white and blue.



The newly refinished car must have had some kind of Aw Crap and the Jenkins era 1970 nose went back on it for a while. As a side note,the 3 link suspention was known to be a little quirky,and if you look in this pic,that looks a lot like a set of ladder bars under the car. There were no bars hanging down in the former pics.



Dennis Ferrara gets the car from Richie Zul. Not much changed here,the car was repainted,but thats about it.
I have some pics somewhere with the car still with Zul's name on it and the long wheelie bars.




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I just wonder if Richie Zul or Denis Ferrara are familiar with the extensive restorations that old race cars undergo these days. They may be under the impression that it cant be the original car because it has a stock floor/frameand firewall with a VIN. I wonder if anybody told them that basically the last remaining pieces(outer roof skin,rockers and upper half of the 1/4 panels and part of the original firewall) were removed from a tube chassis car and installed on a new donor body. Mike G described it as "not being a rebody" because much of the outer skin of the car was retained,but it does have the entire firewall and VIN from the donor car as well as the floorboards from toeboards to tail light panel including all the frame structure,all the inner 1/4 panel structure,all the inner roof structure,all the dashboard structure,front subframe and all the suspention from the donor car.

Any future buyer is supposed to be given a full photo documentation of the entire restoration including how much metal from the orginal car was saved. It would be up any potential bidder to determine if they feel that there is enough metal left to call it the real car.

It would be interesting to know the history of the full tube chassis car that was shown on Ebay back in 2003. A lot of people would call the remaining parts of Toy#8 as being "not a car anymore",but who is to say in this day and age of rebodied musclecars being sold as the original real deal? If I found the original glass nose,steel doors,trunk lid,firewall,subframe and floor pans from Toy #8 could I weld them all back together with donor metal and say I restored the car too? Since it has been documented that all but 10% of the original car was sent to the scrap pile 40 years ago,does the car really exist anymore?


I guess my point is,are the "original" parts that were used actually from Toy #8 or did the car that surfaced have nothing to do with the Toy and is just some race car that could have came from anywhere? Since it has been fully disclosed how much of the race car was used in the restoration, it would not be correct if Ferrara and Zul chalked it off as a tribute just because they didnt understand what the restoration involved. The best way to verify it would actually be for them to look at the tube chassis that the body was taken off of.

BTW,could I buy the tube chassis and restore it back to be the Zul/Ferrara Camaro using donor sheet metal panels? It would have more original metal in it then the restored Toy#8:)

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Rich_S first I would Like to say it's Good to have you here . I find this Car Very Interesting yes Being a Chevy Guy Bill Jenkins is one of My All Time Heroes and Sure I Love Camaro's . When I Look at that car I see how some of them Mods even found there way into Street Car Builds of that same Time Frame .

I do thank you for sharing all the Info and Photo you have on this Famous Race Car . And as for that Recreation Race Car ? It Looks to be done Well and if Bill Jenkins approves of it that is something that's said in Volumes about that Car .



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